2025-04-29 Meeting notes - Joint OAM / NONRTRIC / SIM Community meeting
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Today: Tuesday at 15:00 UTC
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Attendees
- Alex Stancu (Highstreet & OSC SIM)
- Martin Skorupski (Highstreet & OSC OAM & RSAC)
- John Keeney (Ericsson EST) (OSC NONRTRIC)
- subhash (OSC AIMLFW)
- Sunil N (Samsung)
- Karthikeyan Subramaniam (Samsung)
- Saul Gill (Ericsson EST)
- Aravindhan Ayyanathan (Ericsson EST) (Ericsson EST)
- Aya Kamal Elbakly (Orange Innovation Egypt)
- Demond Wael (Student @ Orange Innovation Egypt)
- Mina Akram (Student @ Orange Innovation Egypt)
- Ziad Hossam
- Ivan Seskar (WINLAB)
- ... others. Please add yourself
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See also / co-located (ONAP/O-RAN-SC/SMO - Meeting)
Co-located with ONAP 2025-04-29 Meeting notes (ONAP/O-RAN-SC/SMO - Meeting)
Contents
Recording
Notes:
Housekeeping:
- Next Meetings:
- As normal for upcoming weeks: Tuesdays at 15:00 UTC
- Remove occurrence on 20 May 2025 - Will be traveling to OAI workshop in Kista.
Calendar:
https://lists.onap.org/g/onap-meetings/calendar
- Issue with Calendars this week! - Will fix.
- Will update invites according to Daylight Savings Time changeover. See above.
OSC SMO project calls now move to its own time slot - alternate Thursdays
See OSC RSAC Calendar: https://lf-o-ran-sc.atlassian.net/wiki/display/RSAC/calendars
See also OSC Meetings calendar: https://lists.o-ran-sc.org/g/main/calendar
(Note this meeting to open to anyone, including non-ORAN members)
We will maintain this slot for ONAP Alignment, and try flag issues/question to/from SMO meetings.
See also OSC AIML Project meeting notes
OSC Project roundup:
News from OSC TOC & OSFG & RSAC calls last week
TOC:
- https://lf-o-ran-sc.atlassian.net/wiki/display/TOC/#ORANSCTechnicalOversightCommittee(TOC)
- Last week's TOC (Thursday):
- This week's TOC (Thursday):
OSFG: (Martin Skorupski)
- No update
- Previous weeks
- Discussing plans for upcoming OSFG opensource meeting May 23rd (After OAI summer workshop) in Kista Sweden
- OAI Workshop (Wed & Thurs) : Agenda & Register https://openairinterface.org/summer-2025-workshop-the-openairinterface-path-to-ai-driven-6g/
- OSFG Friday meeting: Agenda, Register etc : https://oranalliance.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/OAH/pages/3953524737/OSFG+ad-hoc+Meeting
- Discussing plans for upcoming OSFG opensource meeting May 23rd (After OAI summer workshop) in Kista Sweden
- RSAC (Martin Skorupski )
- Minutes: RSAC Meeting notes
- Energy saving use case:
- Discussion End-to-End Integration
- see below ...
- Discussion End-to-End Integration
Proposal: "Predict future PRB demand per slice in 5G RAN Network" (Sunil N)
- Sunil N presented some slides proposing a new use case & rApp for "PRB demand prediction - per slice"
- Slides:
- All: Looks great. Looking forward to getting stated.
- rApp & deployment will be very similar to AIML rApp demos at 2024-10 O-RAN F2F Montreal
- See also Energy Saving rApp usecase for another sample.
- Will start with dummy data. for training
- Will work with subhash for training etc & how to store trained model
- Slides:
- Action: John Keeney (Ericsson EST) to propose a new repo to store rApps
- larger/ongoing rApps may be promoted to own repo later
- (Need to remove existing old/obsolete rApp from many years ago!)
- Action: Sunil N Aim to create a wiki page for the use case, to store snippets, discussions etc for future users & other rApps developers
- Also discuss on mailing list and/or slack as needed. (Slack invite)
- Action: Sunil N & Martin Skorupski To briefly present & then track use case in RSAC.
How to add PM data to InfluxDB (Demond Wael)
- Hello to Aya Kamal Elbakly, Demond Wael, Mina Akram, Ziad Hossam (Orange Innovation Egypt) 👋
- Difficult to inject data into RANPM pipeline to have it appear in InfluxDB
- Suggest try latest version of SMO install (inclund RANPM functions from it/dep)
- Need to build https-server & ranpm-raap locally - they are not "released"
- Need to ensure data ingested is in 3GPP PM file format & PM Producer filter is configured to match data.
- Check logs
- Working on a CSV → 3GPP file format - overlaps with work in Energy Saving rApp usecase to convert Viavi-format CSV → 3GPP XML file format
- From last week & again this week:
- John Keeney (Ericsson EST) Avoid trying to use internal interfaces/formats/topics in the RANPM flow
- Use 3GPP XML files, hosted in some FTP/HTTP server (HTTP server provided), then send a VES event to VES collector (with the path/filename to the new file)
- Toolchain does all necessary XML→JSON translation, filtering etc, then inject into InfluxDB)
- Ref: https://docs.o-ran-sc.org/projects/o-ran-sc-nonrtric-plt-ranpm/en/latest/overview.html#data-flow
- latest snapshot version of RANPM functions support 3GPP file-ready event format & latest NR PM data files. Older (Release K) versions only support older VES-format file-ready events & older 4G PM data file.
- For debug/support please send an email, or use slack (Slack invite)
- Use 3GPP XML files, hosted in some FTP/HTTP server (HTTP server provided), then send a VES event to VES collector (with the path/filename to the new file)
- John Keeney (Ericsson EST) Avoid trying to use internal interfaces/formats/topics in the RANPM flow
- Usecase is energy saving also
- Lets work togther on related rApps / use cases
- Ref: Sunil's presentation above
- Ref: Discussion End-to-End Integration
- Lets work togther on related rApps / use cases
- Action: Sunil N Will check with Orange if possible to create a wiki page for the use case, to store snippets, discussions etc for future users & other rApps developers
RSAC Energy Saving use case (rApps & AI/ML)
- No update this week - but working away on this.
- From last week:
- Discussion End-to-End Integration
- Good progress made on O1-PM - convert to file format & reuse existing RANPM functions → rApp
- Note: RANPM snapshot images have timed out. !
- John Keeney (Ericsson EST) & Aravindhan Ayyanathan (Ericsson EST) - Recreate the snapshots. Good for another 30 days
- Make sure release happens before 30 days & update charts in it/dep
- Note: RANPM snapshot images have timed out. !
- O1-CM:
- When integrated SMO deployment is ready rApp should be able to use NCMP as a wrapper for RestConf → SDNC/ODL
- Exposed via SME to rApp
- Topology:
- Martin Skorupski will create a topology/deployment model - which can then be processed by TEIV to bootstrap the TEIV topology.
- Will help pre-populate the topology & add links etc - where adapters do not yet exist.
- Also TEIV adapter nearly complete; to poll NCMP/SDNC to populate TEIV-OAM data of ODUs/OCU/ODUCell/OCUCell
- Available for rApp to query which DU/Cells to target for Energy saving rather than hard coding
- TEIV can then be queried by ESrApp to get IDs etc & containment info needed - rather than hardcoding in rApp logic
- Martin Skorupski will create a topology/deployment model - which can then be processed by TEIV to bootstrap the TEIV topology.
- AIML
- John Keeney (Ericsson EST) & subhash to discuss:
- How & when training happens, & where trained model is stored
- How AIMLFW is deployed as part of SMO
- How rApps ML model is deployed as an Inference service for rApp to use (KServe)
- John Keeney (Ericsson EST) & subhash to discuss:
- rApps & xApp
- bimo fransiscus asisi to advise on where the current Apps are - to help identify how to extend for deployment.
- VES collector in SMO
- Can change configuration in integrated SMO (via configmaps - TBC), but need to download & make 3GPP schema files available somehow.
- May need to add a custom step to pull these files during SMO setup. (Similar for other functions where spec downloads might be required before use)
- Can change configuration in integrated SMO (via configmaps - TBC), but need to download & make 3GPP schema files available somehow.
- Will discuss more with fransiscus bimo during RSAC
- Good progress made on O1-PM - convert to file format & reuse existing RANPM functions → rApp
- Discussion End-to-End Integration
Accessing WINLAB resources: Ivan Seskar John Keeney (Ericsson EST) Aravindhan Ayyanathan (Ericsson EST)
- John Keeney (Ericsson EST) & Aravindhan Ayyanathan (Ericsson EST) now have access
- Hopefully later in week will have a cluster of some machines in Lab
- Ideally would like some ideas about how to structure deploy
- e.g. into 2 deployments - for stable version & dev/scratch version
- Needs some coordination
- ... e.g. if you break it then fix it, or wipe & re-instate.
- How often to auto-wipe/kill the deployments, etc.
- lets see what is aviallable first, then we can discuss options.
- Ideally would like some ideas about how to structure deploy
OAM (Martin Skorupski)
NONRTRIC (John Keeney (Ericsson EST))
- Working hard on Integrated SMO deployment
- First version nearly ready for testing.
- No other update this week
- See previous weeks:
- Updating ONAP A1-Controller
- Working on SMO Deployment
- Combined lots of existing charts - now working together (ONAP, NONRTRIC, RANPM, TEIV)
- Alot of work needed to have all previous deployments using same underlying common functions - esp Kafka.
- Current work in progress : https://gerrit.o-ran-sc.org/r/c/it/dep/+/14289
- Need to document this better - wiki page, Jira etc.
- Will try add Nephio later
- Need to examine to integrate AIMLFW charts https://gerrit.o-ran-sc.org/r/gitweb?p=aiml-fw%2Faimlfw-dep.git;a=summary
- Also need to consider how to include existing SMO project functions e.g. Tacker
- Will Services be available outside (Sridhar Rao, Aravindhan Ayyanathan (Ericsson EST))?
- Inside cluster all services can now use FQDN - not node-ports.
- Services should also be register in Service Exposure Manager to be used via API gateway & discoverable
- Eventually services may be discoverable / exposed outside cluster - e.g. ref CAMARA etc.
- Combined lots of existing charts - now working together (ONAP, NONRTRIC, RANPM, TEIV)
- Updating ONAP A1-Controller
JIRA
SIM (Alex Stancu)
- No Update this week: See previous weeks
AI/ML platform project (subhash)
- Minutes & Meeting: Meeting notes
- No update this week
SMO (Seshu Kumar Mudiganti)
- Meeting notes Meeting notes
- No specific update
Topology & Inventory: (John Keeney (Ericsson EST) :
- No update this week
Meeting ends 60min